China is starting to see money head abroad at an increasing rate

Over the course of this year we have become increasingly concerned about the property sector in China and the implications for the rest of the economy. Yesterday brought us more news on that front.

BEIJING, Oct 24 (Reuters) – China’s September new home prices fell for the second straight month as mortgage boycotts, a heightened debt crisis and COVID-19 curbs weighed on homebuyers’ sentiment.

New home prices in September fell 0.2% month-on-month after a 0.3% drop in August, according to Reuters calculations based on National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) data released on Monday.

On a year-on-year basis, new home prices in September declined at the fastest pace since August 2015, falling 1.5% after a 1.3% decline in August.

The housing pyramid was built on the promise of higher prices as everyone involved sang along with Hot Chocolate.

Everyone’s a winner, baby, that’s no lie (yes, no lie)You never fail to satisfy (satisfy)

The problem now is that there are losers and we are seeing that play out in the arena of mortgage boycotts and debt problems. Also we are left wondering if we are being told the full truth about the price falls?

Exodus?

According to the Financial Times the political shenanigans over the weekend have led to this.

Wealthy Chinese are pulling the trigger on exit plans from their homeland as pessimism builds over the future of the world’s second-largest economy under Xi Jinping and the ruling Chinese Communist party.

It probably isn’t any too bright to publicly declare this bit it happened.

“Now that ‘the chairman’ is firmly in place . . . I have already received three ‘proceed’ instructions from various ultra-high net worth Chinese business families to execute their fire escape plans,” said Lesperance.

Some seem to be looking at Singapore.

The number of family offices in Singapore jumped fivefold between 2017 and 2019, and almost doubled from 400 at the end of 2020 to 700 a year later, according to Citi Private Bank. Ryan Lin, director of Singapore-based Bayfront Law, said he was approached by five families during China’s party congress last week to establish a Singapore family office, three of which are proceeding.

Of course a former bolthole isn’t what it once was.

He added that Hong Kong, long a favoured destination for Chinese wealth and elite families, had become less attractive as Beijing increased control over the territory.

Some of those have presumably ended up at Nine Elms not so far from me and I note that they now seem to be advertising in Singapore.

Prospective buyers will have an opportunity to select from just 186 units at London Square Nine Elms’ first international launch that will take place in Singapore on Oct 29-30, with Savills Singapore as the exclusive marketing agent.

There was a time that Nine Elms looked like it would be an enormous white elephant but there may be hope for it yet. With all the Malaysian money that went intothe newly reopened Battersea Power Station we may yet see something of a literal version of Singapore-on-Thames.

Returning to the issue of China a move out of property and the country poses more than a few questions.

Hang Seng

The South China Morning Post recounts what happened yesterday.

The Hang Seng Index slumped 6.4 per cent to 15,180.69 at the close of Monday trading, the lowest level since April 2009. The index suffered its biggest one-day sell-off since November 2008, marking the third time it has declined more than 1,000 points this year. The Tech Index tanked 9.7 per cent while the Shanghai Composite Index declined 2 per cent.

There was an attempt at a rally early today but it did not last in spite of some apparent official support and closed at 15.115.

*CHINA STATE BANKS ORDERED TO BUY STOCKS TO CONTAIN SELLING ( Investing.com)

The Yuan or Renminbi

This looks weak too.

China’s yuan is sliding anew and the People’s Bank of China seems inclined to let it go.
The currency traded in Shanghai weakened to 7.31 per dollar, the lowest since December 2007. That’s after the PBOC set the daily yuan fixing at a 14-year low. The yuan also fell to the lowest in more than a year against a basket of its trading partners’ currencies, a Bloomberg gauge shows. ( Bloomberg)

Some are getting rather concerned.

We just saw the largest annual depreciation in the Chinese yuan in 27 years. China is much closer to having a full-blown banking and currency crisis than winning a hegemonic war against the US. ( @TaviCosta)

There is a bit of hype in that as for example pretty much every currency has fallen versus the US Dollar. But if we return to our property theme having debts in US Dollars and repaying them with a Chinese Yuan income keeps getting harder.

Interestingly it seems to be official policy to encourage foreign currency borrowing.

Right before the PBOC released its fixing on Tuesday, the central bank tweaked a policy to make it easier for companies to seek funding offshore, effectively allowing more capital inflows.

The Economy

The release of official data has done little to calm things down.

Delayed by almost a week without explanation — although a clash with China’s Communist party congress is suspected — the announcement of 3.9 per cent GDP growth came with little fanfare. It was better than the forecast of 3.3 per cent from analysts polled by Bloomberg but still short of China’s full-year target of 5.5 per cent, already set at its lowest in three decades. ( FT)

The domestic economy does not look strong.

Growth in retail sales, just 2.5 per cent, missed forecasts as strict Covid lockdowns continued to hold back consumption. ( FT)

With other economies slowing then the star of recent times, exports, seems likely to fade.

Export data, while beating analyst expectations, nonetheless indicate a mounting challenge for the country’s recent economic model. They grew 5.7 per cent, compared with 7 per cent in August, and a further slowdown would reduce the effect of this key booster of GDP. ( FT)

Comment

There are clear signs of struggles in China and we see this from various sources.

SHANGHAI, Oct 24 (Reuters) – Tesla (TSLA.O) has cut starter prices for its Model 3 and Model Y cars by as much as 9% in China, reversing a trend of increases across the industry amid signs of softening demand in the world’s largest auto market.

Their problem is how can they put the genie back in its bottle?

From our own point of view things have also got more complex. The idea of economic growth coming from China is fading fast. But more than that the idea of it being the currency devaluer is also fading as we see Japan and the Yen.

16 thoughts on “China is starting to see money head abroad at an increasing rate

  1. The housing market needs to start to fall considerably in China and the rest of the world to get to some kind of normality.

    I suspect the wealthy moving their money about now bond yields are rising around the globe and why risk money in property when it isn’t easy to pull out.

    It is a house of cards the property market due to a significant collapse.

  2. Great blog as usual, Shaun.
    It seems that no-one at the FT got the memo. Why do they call China the world’s second largest economy, when according to the IMF estimates of GDP on a PPP basis, China is the world’s largest economy, 20% larger than the US economy? Also, pace so-called Russia expert Stephen Kotkin, who claims that the Russian economy is only a fifteenth the size of its American counterpart, the most recent IMF estimate shows that Russia’s GDP is a little under 19% that of America, i.e., a little less than a fifth the size of the American economy. I refreshed my own spreadsheet to make sure I was getting the most current IMF estimates, and found that there is no hard estimate of the GDP on a PPP basis for Ukraine, although there is a ranking. It is very sad, although quite understandable given the difficulties in properly gauging the impact of the war on economic activities. While Russia is still listed as the sixth largest economy in the world, Ukraine has dropped three places from 42nd to 45th place, if my count is right. Austria and Chile are two countries in the earlier 2022 projections listed behind Ukraine that are now ahead of her.
    I hope you were able to attend the ONS event on “Understanding the cost of living through statistics” today. It is a shame that you are not one of the speakers. I got up at 3:30 this morning for the virtual session but found there was no conference link provided. I am a real Luddite so may have clicked that I would be attending the conference in person by mistake. However, I am also paranoid, and wonder if the organizers didn’t want to be distracted by annoying questions, as, for example: “Why isn’t Christmas tree delivery a priced items in the CPI/RPI?”

    • Hi Andrew,

      as you say its difficult to gage Ukraines economy in war but I have seen estimates that its dropped by 45-50% and is getting worse ( with a GDP was $534 billion at the end of 2021 PPP World Economics) .

      Russian Federation is also a contradiction , maybe shrinking by 11% over this year , or maybe not so much, Russia’s GDP was $4.058 trillion at the end of 2021 PPP World Economics.

      most data seems to support a GDP of 8-10 times larger for Russian Fed. . If we take those figures at face value then Russia in PPP dollar terms is on to a loss. ( mind you the estimated value of resources I have seen for Donbas is about 12 Trillion dollars and that if Russia holds onto it then Ukraine has little chance of economic success , which probably explains some of reasons for the war ( yes there are others )).

      My hopes are that peace will break out – war is a racket and always has been.

      Forbin

      PS: As Ukraine’s army has been decimated ( yes Russia has suffered too ) and effectivly they are a Nato backed lead force now – Russia is already in difficulty , they are not the old Soviet Union despite some otheres rhetoric.

      • Thanks for your comments, Forbin. Richard Connolly in a recent paper mentioned shale gas resources: “The second area of uncertainty relates to Ukraine’s two large deposits of shale gas – one in the western Lublin basin, and the other in the eastern Dnieper-Donetsk basin. Large scale shale gas extraction has the potential to boost the fortunes of both states although at this stage the prospects for both deposits are uncertain. However, Royal Dutch Shell’s decision last year to invest in a US$10 billion project in the eastern Yuzivska field indicates that the prospects in East Ukraine currently look brighter.” The Yuzivska field extends into Kharkhiv oblast, which the Russian Federation has not annexed, although Connolly imagines a future where it is also lost to the Kyiv government. In fact, it would lose all oblasts that voted for Viktor Yanukovych in the 2010 presidential election. From a Ukrainian perspective, this would have to be a worst case scenario. Anyway, what this seems to indicate is that the four Ukrainian oblasts Russia wants to annex contain a disproportionate share of Ukraine’s shale gas reserves and it also has the reserves that are most likely to be developed in the foreseeable future.

  3. It’s very sad, there was so much hope and optimism when I lived there. Ut isn’t just the mega wealthy, the formerly thriving middle classes are now eying South Korea, Indonesia and the Philippines to escape. Many have already gone including some of my ex wife’s family. I don’t see much hope until Zi is gone and I hope thats before he starts any wars. Taiwan is very firmly in his sights.

  4. Hi Shaun
    Things look desparate in China.I’m not sure which the worst to have your
    capital invested in property or shares in the Hang Seng index.
    Over here I see HSBC and a couple of other banks have lowered their 5 yr fixed mortgage rated.Only slightly but could this be a trend.?
    I spoke to a estate agent this morning and he told me that the last two months have been exceptional.
    Plenty of cash buyers and first time buyers.The only market that was well down was the buy to let section .

    • Midge

      “Over here I see HSBC and a couple of other banks have lowered their 5 yr fixed mortgage rated.Only slightly but could this be a trend.?
      I spoke to a estate agent this morning and he told me that the last two months have been exceptional.
      Plenty of cash buyers and first time buyers.The only market that was well down was the buy to let section .”

      Yes the short term fixes have fallen a small amount but from what I have read the anaysts are still forecasting BOE rate to be over or about 5% next year. But lets face it anything can happen from here and its difficult forecasting 6 months ahead when we are just at the start of a recession and it could be prolonged.

      As for house prices from what I have seen in the North West and nearer the shore house prices are still strong and selling fast at that and many houses advertised for offers over the indicative price which is strange.

      But I think there has been a lot of catch up houses up north where always cheaper than down south and maybe some people are still selling up down south and moving north.

      Then there is probably inheritance which could be affecting the market money being trickled down to the children as house prices down well the last few years.

      There is also a lack of house supply overall which could prevent a steep fall.

  5. Hello Shaun ,

    You might have expected China’s slow growth affect climate change …..

    and

    https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/graph.html

    about 387 ppm to 420 ppm ( sept 2010 to sept 2022 )

    climate modelling is notoriously difficult – especially if the data does not support it .

    Why mention it? Well aren’t economic models also affected by the same disparity between data and models?

    Forbin

    PS: all models are wrong but some are useful

  6. Off topic and back in the UK Rishi seems to have lost some of his charisma since he was up agaisnt Truss before she became PM his statement after he won yesterday which the press were not present was robotic and at the podium today was only a bit better it wasn’t relaxed and he took his time reading from the podium.

    The £ was well up 1,84% against the $ but part of that is due to the $ being weak !

    Bond prices yields still falling but it is still early days.

    Labour are calling for an early election but they would do wouldn’t they but that won’t happen.

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